Harry Potter!!!! (the BOOKS x]) *SPOILERS*

[Hadieh]

Just wanted to start a board and see what you all think...is snape really evil? whats the last 2 Horcruxes? Is Dumbledore really dead?

I've heard tons but lets just see what all the fans in here think

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since everyone seems to skip this and ask things, i felt i should add this here....its what i think:

Snape is good...he was under DD commands b/c if u remember, hagrid overheard him saying he cant go on with something. probably having to kill DD when the time comes. he also had his hand twitch when he did the vow. the vow he HAD to do b/c he didn’t want Draco to lose his innocence and he wanted to continue to be a double agent. Now when DD was ‘pleading for his life’ he was really saying, ‘please...severus...KILL ME AND CONTINUE ON AS A DOUBLE AGENT...’ not ‘please severus DON’T kill me..’ DD was never afraid of death and we always knew that...he also was weak from the potion so he may have wanted to die...when he killed him, there was a look of revulsion and hate etched on his face—the same words JKR used to describe how harry felt when he fed DD the potion...meaning it was revulsion and hate for himself for what he had to do, not for DD...later, harry was attacking him and he called him a coward...snape was like DON’T CALL ME A COWARD and he got mad b/c he had to do what he had to do and he didnt want to. He never even shot back at harry or anything and told the others to leave. He also gave harry advice...what kind of an enemy gives advice to the other?? last point-felix felices...I read this and tought it was extremely interesting to justify my point...the D.A. toook it and hermione said she barely escaped from Snape and she got lucky he didnt kill her and ron couldnt stop snape either and let draco get away...that was part of it that he wasnt evil so they didnt stop him b/c they didnt have to...'felix’ knew that!

Now this one im still not sure about but Dumbledore is not Dead! I think that when ppl do the avada kedavra, they just fall down and die. DD was shot back, hovered like a rag doll, and fell to the ground where harry found him looking altho he was asleep. IN book 4...Moody (the imposter) said u can do an unforgivable curse and it wont work unless u mean it and something "you can do it to me right now and you won’t give me more than a nosebleed" about avada kedavra...also, bellatrix in OotP was hit by harry’s Crucio which didnt do much b/c she even said, u have to mean it. Since snape is good, he didnt want to kill DD so maybe he just made him pass out or get injured. Also, he couldve MADE it look LIKE he had done it and used a nonverbal spell altho he said Avada Kedavra...later on, at the funeral, we never saw DD body anyways and it could have just been someone else or somethin. The smoke formed a phoenix and DD is always associated with Phoenix’s as well...also, his portrait appeared but you cant say hes deaad b/c of that either b/c JKR never specified when the portrait appeares so its not necessarily when theyre dead. The spell that was lifted off harry that says he couldve been dead can also be said that DD did a nonverbal spell to lift it b4 he was hit. Also, he said he could make draco seem dead and the order can do it so well–maybe they did it for him? It could be true with all these but we’ll wait and see..for now I don’t know what to believe...

Next, Harry is a Horcrux...the night voldy lost his powers he DIED. Im not sure if one of his horcruxes was lost then or w/e but he was planning on ripping his soul for the last piece when he was gonna kill harry. That never happened so I think he accidentally put the part in harry or harry’s SCAR even...I think he lost control, and may not know its in him. It would be an amazing ending to it all that harry would have to sacrifice himself! In book 2, DD agreed when harry said so Voldy put a bit of himself in me so I think JKR meant the soul. The other horcruxes are- voldy, cup, locket(ill get to this), and diary and ring are destroyed...thats 5...the 6th could be Nagini and I think it is and the 7th is harry. Also, them 3 have a good relationship. If u remember, harry saw through nagini’s eyes in OotP b4 se attacked Arthur Weasley (I heard a great theory about nagini being the snake harry let loose in the zoo in book 1...thatd be funny!) And then Voldy and harry always had a connection seeing through eachothers eyes as well. I think it’s a horcrux connection and not the scar alone. (Or even it is if it’s the scar thats the horcrux) the prophecy says neither can live while the other survives but I read it as NEITHER of them can live if EITHER survives, as in none will live if the other is alive, as in they can’t live without the other if the other dies...sorta like dragonheart =P I think it makes perfect sense and JKR sid well hidden clues will lead u to the other horcruxes if u read carefully b/c they are in the 6th book!

Last but not least, R.A.B....I think it is Regulus Black...his middle name could be whatever, his fathers or something. We don’t know why he dided and I think its b.c he betrayed voldy. 1st of all, the letter says to the dark lord–only death eaters call him dark lord. 2nd, there was a heavy locket noone could open in #12 Grimmauld Place and I think thats the real horcrux! He left it there and never destroyed it...now how he got it is a mystery but we’ll find out later...thought this was a really good point tho.

yeah long...i didnt proofread so im sure theres loads of typos :P

[ROCK_FREAK_89]

I dunno about the last 2 Horcruxes.. But yes snape is really evil and Dumbledore is really dead

[Maiii]

NO!! I don't think Snape is evil! OK, at first I was so angry with Snape, but now I think it makes sense. Dumbledore HAD to die or else Draco would, Dumbledore would never let a student be killed because of him. He would rather sacrifice himself. And Snape, well because of that vow, he had to kill Dumbledore or he would die. Now I think Snape really is on Dumbledore's side, Dumbledore was begging Snape to kill him, not save him. Dumbledore knew about Draco's plans all year, he and Snape probably planned all this. Snape undercover was much more important than Dumbledore's life.

[Hadieh]

exactly what i was thinking, Maiii . . .

plus, if u remember the conversation hagrid overheard about snape saying he can't go on with something, must've been DD telling him that he should kill him if he had to.

And when Harry told him that he understood what he said (when he told him about draco and snape's talk during Slughorn's party) that he understood what harry just told him possibly even more

also, i think, not entirely sure tho, that snape didn't kill DD, just made it look like it? b/c if u recall in the 4th book, Moody said that you have to WANT to kill that person and MEAN IT (as with any unforgivable curse) to kill them. so since snape didn't want to, maybe he 'died' but really didn't...and DD always has been associated with the phoenix, so u never know!

[panda_attitude]

I'm on Snape's side....
I think that becuase Snape knows Occlumency..at the time of when he was going to kill Dumbledore...Snape was reading his mind...and possibly on Dumbledore's mind it was for him to kill him....
I also think that in the 7th book...
Snape is possibly going to save Harry by sacrificing himself....

And the last 2 horcruxes....where could/what could they be??

[Hadieh]

Originally Posted by panda_attitude

I'm on Snape's side....
I think that becuase Snape knows Occlumency..at the time of when he was going to kill Dumbledore...Snape was reading his mind...and possibly on Dumbledore's mind it was for him to kill him....
I also think that in the 7th book...
Snape is possibly going to save Harry by sacrificing himself....

And the last 2 horcruxes....where could/what could they be??

i think something like that will happen too...i've heard quite a few things and since we know only...like, what?, 4 horcruxes for sure: diary and ring -destroyed-, locket, cup...and then there could be nagini as DD was saying...i was thinking since he couldnt get the Gryff. sword or the sorting hat or w/e he had come to get, then theres 2 more since he wanted 7.

i like the idea that its Harry himself, or maybe his scar or something. Now b4 u call me crazii, look @ it like this:
harry was supposed to be the person Voldy was gonna kill to rip his soul and get it ready for the last horcrux. since we really DONT know what happened the night harry's parents died, but that his scar is really important and that they dont know what happened when voldy lost his power...i think he lost control of what he was doing and as harry asked DD in CoS (to which DD agreed) Voldy put a bit of himself in him...AKA part of his soul...it makes perfect sense and it would be a dramatic twist to the series in which the prophecy fulfills itself. the way i read it was NEITHER can live if EITHER survives...so even if one is alive, the other has to die...so i think harry would probably have to die and we'll all kill JKR and die happy

[Hadieh]

nice avvy btw

[DeGrawgirl]

Originally Posted by Hadieh

Just wanted to start a board and see what you all think...is snape really evil? whats the last 2 Horcruxes? Is Dumbledore really dead?

I've heard tons but lets just see what all the fans in here think

hey! in the movies, the guy who played dumbeldore died, and they got a new guy, look whn you watch them they are different, the hair goes from white to gray lol sorry

[Maiii]

I hope not! If Harry's scar is a horcrux, then it would be terrible :O Then Harry must die, and Harry cannot die!
Isn't Voldemort a horcrux? He has to have a bit soul in him?

[Inga]

I really hope that Snape is good and that Dumbledore is not dead.. But i wasn't sure how I could belive that you know..
But then I saw this site and that has given me hope that it's alright hehe :P
Check it out.. www.dumbledoreisnotdead.com